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Sean is playing this, which prompted the comment several entries down.
Is ravel. Cold and calculatingly beautiful. I love Ravel.
It's a water spirit. What else could it be but cold and beautiful, even if it's not calculating? I mean, 6 against 7 and 5 against 6 and 5 against 7 are not terribly precise
Sure they can be.
I don't mean the performance
Ratios are the fundamentals of the number system.
Ask any ancient Egyptian.
Yes, but the perceived rhythmic precision lessens the further one goes away from the norm
It's about creation vs. perception, and I hold that Ravel was a calculating genius.
Perhaps it was created coldly and calculatingly, but the way it's perceived (especially as related to the way it's performed) is just as valid a description of its effectual properties.
If you hold that perception is subjective, yes.
Unless we're all machines, perception is subjective.
Did I contest it?
You turned it from a fact into a postulate.
And it is a postulate, not a fact.
That perception is subjective?
Yes, though it is a postulate generally held.
The alternatives are that all perceptions are objective and that perception is able to be objective.
Both of these I find issue with.
However, they are quite interesting to consider.
What issues do you have with subjective perception?
No strong issues. it is truely objective perception which I think is flawed.
I don't think it exists.
I have difficulty imagining that it does.
Especially considering that a lot of perception is translated into language, which is utterly subjective, because conceptualization varies with translation.
Precisely.
Or a communicative form more subjective still and with which we hold deep involvement: music.
Is ravel. Cold and calculatingly beautiful. I love Ravel.
It's a water spirit. What else could it be but cold and beautiful, even if it's not calculating? I mean, 6 against 7 and 5 against 6 and 5 against 7 are not terribly precise
Sure they can be.
I don't mean the performance
Ratios are the fundamentals of the number system.
Ask any ancient Egyptian.
Yes, but the perceived rhythmic precision lessens the further one goes away from the norm
It's about creation vs. perception, and I hold that Ravel was a calculating genius.
Perhaps it was created coldly and calculatingly, but the way it's perceived (especially as related to the way it's performed) is just as valid a description of its effectual properties.
If you hold that perception is subjective, yes.
Unless we're all machines, perception is subjective.
Did I contest it?
You turned it from a fact into a postulate.
And it is a postulate, not a fact.
That perception is subjective?
Yes, though it is a postulate generally held.
The alternatives are that all perceptions are objective and that perception is able to be objective.
Both of these I find issue with.
However, they are quite interesting to consider.
What issues do you have with subjective perception?
No strong issues. it is truely objective perception which I think is flawed.
I don't think it exists.
I have difficulty imagining that it does.
Especially considering that a lot of perception is translated into language, which is utterly subjective, because conceptualization varies with translation.
Precisely.
Or a communicative form more subjective still and with which we hold deep involvement: music.